10/23/07

It Had To Be You

That song is stuck in my head. It started last night, after beginning Lifehouse!

Quote: "Lifehouse" by Pete Townshend with Jeff YoungIntroduction, Page 19:
"... I believe that in the future, all machines will be made of flesh.
And for good measure, they will sigh, swoon and sing when polished. In
twenty years a beautiful cyborg with a body of genuine flesh will walk down
Oxford Street with her arms outstretched saying, '... come to the Lifehouse,
your song is here.' "

signed: Pete Townshend, October 8th 1999 (my 43rd birthday!)

Okay, the fact that the page was signed on my birthday drew me in thicker
than fruitflies to soft cantaloupe. It was one of those moments that creates a
banging collision of weird in your head. A little tire screech action, ala Fred
Flintstone and his Rockmobile. I had already been drawn to the Lifehouse
concept long ago, but having the actual book in my hands was dream fruition.

Now, just a few days ago, here is the article that popped up:

from Live Science 12 Oct 2007
Charles Q. Choi
Sex and marriage with robots? It could happen. Robots soon will become more human-like in appearance, researcher says.

"My forecast is that around 2050, the state of Massachusetts will be the first jurisdiction to legalize marriages with robots," artificial intelligence researcher David Levy at the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands told LiveScience. Levy recently completed his Ph.D. work on the subject of human-robot relationships, covering many of the privileges and practices that generally come with marriage as well as outside of it...."

"The idea of romance between humanity and our artistic and/or mechanical creations dates back to ancient times, with the Greek myth of the sculptor Pygmalion falling in love with the ivory statue he made named Galatea, to which the goddess Venus eventually granted life."

"This notion persists in modern times. Not only has science fiction explored this idea, but 40 years ago, scientists noticed that students at times became unusually attracted to ELIZA, a computer program designed to ask questions and mimic a psychotherapist."

"There's a trend of robots becoming more human-like in appearance and coming more in contact with humans," Levy said. "At first robots were used impersonally, in factories where they helped build automobiles, for instance. Then they were used in offices to deliver mail, or to show visitors around museums, or in homes as vacuum cleaners, such as with the Roomba. Now you have robot toys, like Sony's Aibo robot dog, or Tickle Me Elmos, or digital pets like Tamagotchis."

In his thesis, "Intimate Relationships with Artificial Partners," Levy conjectures that robots will become so human-like in appearance, function and personality that many people will fall in love with them, have sex with them and even marry them.

"It may sound a little weird, but it isn't," Levy said. "Love and sex with robots are inevitable."

A little??

"Levy argues that psychologists have identified roughly a dozen basic reasons why people fall in love, "and almost all of them could apply to human-robot relationships. For instance, one thing that prompts people to fall in love are similarities in personality and knowledge, and all of this is programmable. Another reason people are more likely to fall in love is if they know the other person likes them, and that's programmable too."

I'm just gonna let PT do the legwork:

"...There once was a note, listen" ~ Pete Townshend

Scene twenty-eight, pp 126-127

Ray: I think I have to leave you here.
Caretaker: I knew this was coming.
Ray: Maybe we'll meet again.
Caretaker: It was like being in a road movie.
Ray: Which one?
Caretaker: One of the Bing and Bobs.
Ray: You're ridiculous.
Caretaker : Yes...
Ray: Say take care...


19 comments:

BlackVelvetLace said...

"My forecast is that around 2050, the state of Massachusetts will be the first jurisdiction to legalize marriages with robots," artificial intelligence researcher David Levy at the University of Maastricht in the Netherlands told LiveScience

Didn't they just pass that this year? :P

Tink, remember Melanie Griffiths as Cherry? Personally I think they should have updated her voicebox, her voice grates on me :P

~Lace~

PDBT said...

pretty freaky stuff...
Create-a-mate at Best Buy, on sale, now only $159,999.00
10% off accessories like mp3 player in his brain and a rain cover.

Buy now

eeeewwwwwwww....

I may be single but am not THAT desperate!

I thought cloning was bad but that is just, nerds gone wild!!!

-Lin

PDBT said...

'Hal, open the pod bay doors, Hal?'

Dale said...

Hi Tink!

I just dropped by.
Will be back to read this proper when I've more time.

I have Pete's book, too. Although my birthday is in February, I feel a certain kinship, as well. It was magical to finally read the words he wrote himself.

Ta Ta for now.

Dale

Ahvarahn said...

My favorite movie of all time is Blad Runner. I watched it about 56 times since it hit me in the face back in '83 or thereabouts, and started on the Phillip K. Dick novels at the same time.

The love scene in the movie is between a 'replicant' and a so-called 'human', and it is carried off remarkably well considering it is so taboo.

That movie still hasn't dated some 25 years later and it still veers of with new philosophical questions every time i see it.

take care.

Anonymous said...

Hi Tinkerbelle!
How sweet of you to leave a comment on my blog, again!

We're not going to live on the water, or on a boat - very romantic, I once had serious plans to do that, but I kept dreaming that the boat was gonna sink, so I skipped that plan - but right next to it, on the border of a canal (gracht). Been painting walls all day yesterday, a great way to make it ours.

On robots: I once had a 'personalized' computer with some sort of butler-voice, greeting me at log-in and telling me my schedule, it freaked me out! The idea of a machine thinking for me terrifies me. And i hate it when i have to call some organisation and all I get is a computerized choice menu - 'press one if you have question A'- in stead of a real person.

But a robot for a lover?
Hmmm, it could solve some major relational issues (like: the He -robot will clean up his socks and be great at housework without ever having to ask; the She-robot will always be ready to have sex whenever he calls for it and never bother him with her girlfriends' gossip).
But hey, life would become boring if we'd always get whatever we want!

Melanie Griffiths is a doll; it's a pity she also sounds like one...

Tink said...

Lace My mind whirls like a processer cog with the possibilities .. :o) Enjoy your time away!

Lin I fear Hal has nothin' on what's coming down the road. yikes. No. No need for desperation. I've been mateless, dateless, sexless for 5 years now. It has been an interesting spiritual test, and I believe it is now a "lifestyle." heh. There are days when a sexbot seems rather attractive. As far as "replacing" relationships? That is frought with bouncing ping pong balls of thoughts in my Libran head. Too much. lol

Dale Don't even think about it. Take care of you and business on that end! I still haven't gotten back to your last one either. I will eventually catch up. I promise. Now, where is that Reader and Responder Bot when you need it??? :o)

Paul I missed BladeRunner somewhere along the way. I will rent it now. Do you remember Stepford Wives? Humans programmed as computers. This is weirdly the reverse. Bots programmed as humans. I wonder if cyborg/human sex will replace prostitution - with its inherent problems. Would STDs become less prevalent? Still, what it can't provide is real human intelligence. Common sense. Considering what the culture embraces these days, it might be an improvement ... heh.

Noces! Thanks for dropping in! Hope you got all the paint cleaned up and that your allergies weren't bothersome. Eek! How wonderful on the new home. I'm so happy for you!

In Microsoft Word, that little assistant "bot" drives me nuts. I turn it off now, even though it's very clever. A robot thinking for us ... hm. That seems to describe most of the U.S. politicians. :o)

As for as 'bot love? As noted, it is something that I think we need to carefully examine as a culture. Allowing fantasy to become reality with no holds barred, and losing our souls in the process, is part of our troubles in the now.

We become spoiled children looking for more and better and bigger, when we always get what we want .. when we want it!

Breathless and child-like works until you're about 40. ;o)

Fine day to all!

ROB said...

Sounds like a cool book Tink. Is it available as a "books on tape" thing? I hope so. I try not to read if I can avoid it. Save a tree, I always say:)

As for the robot thing. I cringe at the thought. Robot's freak me out. Maybe it goes back to being called "Robbie the Robot" when I was a little kid...Could be.

Tink said...

Hiya Rob Not sure if it's available on reader tape. That would be a great way to listen. For a long time, most of what I read was in PDF/e-book form. I like some things in audio, and this would be a GREAT one to hear that way.

Robbie the Robot?? Aw. Poor Rob. Kids can be so mean. Did you act like a robot?

ROB said...

No Tink...I didn't act like a robot. Don't you remember Robbie the Robot from that horrible Lost in Space T.V. show? It was big when I was a little kid.

But yeah your right, kids can be mean. But I got even...Oh did I ever. They paid dearly...with their lives in some cases...it was the perfect crime...and nobody, I MEAN NOBODY WILL EVER CALL ME THAT AGAIN! If they do, they won't live to tell about it either.

LOL,
Rob

Lucy said...

Aw, tink! Lifehouse....

I LOVE that book. I want it, I want it, I want it....

I've only ever borrowed it from the library, but I devoured it. The intro is almost as good as the play itself, ain't it! I'm gonna get me a copy one of these days.

That is SO cool about the birthday connection, tink. How nice. Now you just need to track Pete down to sign it for you. :-)

We're really not that far from robotic relationships when you think about it. I mean, right now, I'm sitting here, communicating, sometimes laughing to myself -- thinking I'm talking to a person (or several people) when in reality I'm staring at a piece of glass and some plastic and some metal which couldn't care less that I'm here. And I'm believin' it!

Oh, hi Noces!! :-) (see what I mean?)

LOL

- Lucy. (order me up a cyborg that looks and acts just like Pete while you're at it...)

ROB said...

Lucy said:

That is SO cool about the birthday connection, tink. How nice. Now you just need to track Pete down to sign it for you. :-)

Tink:
Just ask Lin, I'm sure she'll be happy to trip Pete on his way to his car again for you:) LOL.

Sorry Lin... I couldn't resist.

Rob

grace said...

Society is becoming too robotic, to much machinery. Like Pete invisioned, with this whole worldwide technology connecting thing. The Lifehouse. He is amazing.

PDBT said...

that's ok, Rob. I enjoy references to my PT sightings. I wonder if he even remembers that? Anyway, I would trip him and then help him up... just for Tink. Like when you are kids and one of your buddies gets on all fours behind someone, like at a party, and you are talking to them and then you pish them over backwards? Classic, I always hated that though, 'cause it hurts, and you spill you drink!

-Lin

ROB said...

Lin said:
Like when you are kids and one of your buddies gets on all fours behind someone, like at a party, and you are talking to them and then you push them over backwards?

Funny you mention this. That move is actually called "The three-step take-down" made famous by Jay Santos of the Citizen's Auxiliary Police (he's one of Phil's characters). LOL. He and another officer double team a suspect and apprehend the individual in this manner. Usually for some major offense like not pulling over during a flare drop. Then they handcuff him with those twist-ties you use at the market for produce etc. and haul him down to headquaters.

Rob

Tink said...

aha! I got it now Rob I did not realize that robot had a name. Danger, warning Will Robinson! The asteroid field is approaching! Jeez Rob, you sounded like Rhoda in The Bad Seed. (the little girl who offed her schoomate by clopping him in the forehead with her tap shoe, causing him to fall into the lake and drown.) mrooohahahahaha. ahem. But WHY Rob, WHY? did they call you Robbie the Robot? Just because you were named Rob? Yes ... perhaps Lin could do that! She does have the knack for causing minor accidents with famous people. With my luck, however, the sharpie would get broken in the collision. heh. And YES! Jay Santos! That was the funniest bit on the license plates.

Citizen's Arrest! Citizen's Arrest! cried Goober Pyle.

Eternal Lucy Yes. I finished the script the next day. It was wonderful and weird and timeless. Amazing. Yes ... the Intro. I went back to read it three times already. lol I did seriously consider wrapping it back up and sending it to his secretary with return packing and postage, begging for an autograph. But, having the book and that forever in print signature - dated October 8th! is enough for me. ;o)

Yeah .. we do place a lot of trust in others as we communicate here amongst the wire, glass, and electricity. I mean --- I trust you are all real and not cyborgs. :o) If you are cyborgs, your command of English with all its nuances, comes across very well! lol

Yes Grace I think it's really good that people take breaks away from the Internet. Be it a day or a week or longer. I have to access it for work, as that's how I get connected to the Hospital. But, too much social time here can lead to some of the problems theorized in Lifehouse. For many, especially those who are homebound for many reasons ... it is a Godsend in some ways. Balance, I think, is the key.

Aww Lin You would trip Pete again just for me? You are a dream come true. lol I hope he won't mind. Just don't let him wipe off his own autograph with his damp sleeve. haha!

omg ... the party prank pratfall. Haven't thought of that in years. I was the recipient on one occasion. I said "Jesus, Mom! Why'd ya do that?? I got hot chocolate all over my birthday party dress!"

:o)

ROB said...

I'm actually know as Robbie to people who've known me since childhood Tink. So they called me Robbie the Robot because I was Robbie. You got it. I shortened it to Rob as an adult like most Jimmy's and Johnie's, etc. do. It just sounded kinda gay being called Robbie when you're in High School. Ya know? Now I don't mind Robbie so much...I'm over it. Especially if girls are calling me Robbie...that generally is used in a loving (I won't go into details) way.

Also, glad you liked the Jay Santos bit...He's one of my favorite characters. Try as I might, I can't do an impression of his voice at all. That "lateral lisp" thing Phil does with Jay's voice is so funny. Apparently it's a Pennsylvania sort of accent. That whole choking on your "L's" thing.

I still haven't heard a "Plane Go Boom" comment though. I hope it didn't bother you. You probably haven't even got to it yet. So I'm holding back on sending you the Steve Bosell bit I thought of regarding your Robot post. It wasn't quite a Robot bit but Steve does get aroused by a latex barbie doll in a toy store and is goofed on by a salesclerk. This prompts him to sue Mattel and the toystore for humiliating him. It sort of ties into the Robot thing...loosely. Also I thought of another Steve Bosell bit where he sues the makers of that Furby doll. Remember those? You can teach it to talk I guess, and at some point his kid taught it to say "Go TO Hell". It told him to go to hell on his way home from his Mom's funeral and humiliated him in front of his wife and kids.
He's the character who sues everyone for frivilous things in case you weren't aware. He's an all-time classic too. And always sounds like he's on the verge of tears.

Man I ramble...sorry:)

Take care!
Rob

Tink said...

oh my God! Rob LOL I should never, ever take a sip of coffee when reading your posts.

I 'toll ya ... don't worry about Plane go boom. You're correct ... I just haven't had time when the kids are not around to listen.

Okay...I get the Robbie thing. I remember the actor Robbie Benson saying something about the "robbie" part and trying to get past the Hollywooden typecasting.

I'll HAVE to hear the Furby one. lol We have those things and they are too weird. nee how goom bala day. They speak this strange language until you teach them English.

I will note that my Mom did not actually do the three-step takedown pratfall on me! It was a joke Mom, a joke! :::cripes:::: she's coming after me with her cane. ow ow ow!

:o) Rob, I skimmed your latest entry on crew work. Will be back later to do a better read.

I read the "urban slang" word of the day the other day. It was

" dotcomrades " ... who are Internet/blooger pals. I love that one.

XO!

ROB said...

Ask and you shall receive Tink!

The "Furby told me to go to hell" bit is on the way. And if anyone else wants to hear it just say the word. I'll send it free of charge.

Yes, I'm that giving of a guy! LOL!

Rob